thread We've got the same in
Bedford. Seems a sensible approach to me.
permalink The track'n'trace
app is of course, bollocks, so it can't and never will work. This is the one being pushed by sCumming's sister in law who just happens to be in Durham, what are the chances.
permalink But they're doing manual track and trace for new cases,
not using the app.
permalink Yay, but
is it enough? The/An app is a really good idea when properly managed but as we know we wouldn't trust this lot to sit on a bog the right way round.
permalink Is suspect that given that transmission seems more likely
Indoors and in groups, I suspect any apps might give a lot more false positives... I can see them being more useful when they reopen pubs and restaurants etc.

At the moment, some manual labour to phone round any places to say "right, there have been 5 cases pass through your workplace" or " who was at the stupid BBQ" etc might be usefully effective...if not fully.

Though, I'd still like to know more about where the current cases are coming from,. In our borough of 276k people we are getting 1 case per day, which you could imagine is mostly coming through in-family transmition or in care homes or hospitals.

Up north it looks like it might be worse.

There have been some interesting articles about the Japanese doing there track and tracing and not finding no cases out of 17k being transmitted on public transport for instance, which would be nice to know...
permalink Aye, last few weeks Gateshead
has been the worst per new cases in the north according to Mrs Witchy, fortunately round her neck of the woods people seem to be being sensible apart from her neighbours-but-one who don't see what the fuss is. I doubt all the cases are related to them however.
permalink to paraphrase Steve Baker today
we know we're sitting on the bog the wrong way round, but the correct thing to do isn't to sit the right way round, it's to continue to sit the wrong way round in order for the relevant authorities to experience sitting the wrong way round and reflect upon it
permalink Bob Mortimer uses the big the other way round because
Of an unusually located arsehole.

True fact
permalink I spoke to my mum
and she said they'd just been to the garden centre in Newton Stewart

I said, "mum, you're supposed to stay within 5 miles of home"

she said, "I know, but there isn't a garden centre within 5 miles."

I couldn't fault the logic
permalink To be fair there is bugger all within
5 miles of gatehouse and unless sheep can spread it the distance thing should be more related to population... A Glaswegian travelling 6 miles will pass more people than my mum driving 50.
permalink I don't entirely disagree, but there is a cluster of cases down that way
and if there's one place that runs a high risk of super-spreading it's a garden centre in the Costa Geriatrica
permalink That is true
...
permalink there reports yesterday (I think) that the current capacity
for the manual track and trace is about five cases per day
permalink What I don't understand about this
Is that 750,000 people volounteered to help the NHS. And while I can see that some info is sensitive, but a bit of training and an NDA would surely cover that... I mean mostly they will be phoning branches of Tesco and offices..

And 5 a day? Sounds like nonsense, I'm pretty sure I could give you the list of everywhere I've been in the last 2 weeks in about 15 minutes and a single person could call them in a day, call it 2 for arranging appointments and that would mean we have 10 people working on this?

I mean who is it that gets Ill and doesn't tell all Thier friends, relatives and workmates anyway?

The tricky bit of tracking would be collating the info to find hotspots like a corner shop that is spreading it or something... But that sounds like a job for an open street map overlay or a big bit of paper and some pins.
permalink the bit where it falls apart
is exactly places like Tesco. How on earth do you manually trace everyone that was in the supermarket at the same time as an infected person (without either the good app that they don't seem to want, or pre-exsting mass surveillance like South Korea and Taiwan)?
And it is clear that the contractors hired to oversee it all have been shit.


permalink the last part is certainly true
the tesco problem is tricky, even with the perfect app, a single member of staff getting it would need thousands of people tested, the number of false positives would likely just make people not use the app.

though I guess some measure of "time spent" and "riskiness" could be worked out eventually... eg, it would alert other employees to get tested, but maybe only tell customers to keep an eye out for symptoms. but how would the app know you were in tesco and not in someones flat above it.
permalink time spent in the general location,
how much you moved about? any flat is going to be smaller than the floorplan of a supermarket. however, visiting a friend that lives over a corner shop would be harder to differentiate
permalink I guess it they are working on bluetooth like the
apple one it's probably easier... but that doesn't track geographical data so less useful to pick up problem locations.

block of flats would seem a problem for anything that relies on GPS.