thread That is a terrible equivolence.
We require food - holidays are a very modern and utterly unnecessary luxury. Yes they are fun, but pretending they are important enough to justify travelling in a pandemic is absurd.

Not going out with others IS helping everyone - if we all did it then we might be past this by now, as with NZ - going to a town you do not live in makes you a bit of the problem.
permalink So i'm confused, are you locking yourself in your house and not
going to the shop (for example) because of any special vulnerability? are you going outside and getting exercise fresh air etc? Your initial comments lead me to think you weren't.

I agree that travel increases risk, and in some areas that has (and should have) been restricted. and in all areas "not being a cunt" is important.

But if you live in a place of low risk, stay in that area of low risk, and don't be an arse then there is plenty of things which involve adding a tiny bit to a very small risk... and that keeps it to a level which we have all been fine with in other contexts. Eg the annual flu rush in winter that we ignore, traffic deaths, smoking, mountain biking etc. I dont know about your circs but there are people that have shut themselves up entirely, (for no raised susceptibility reasons).. this is stupid, it's simply making them amplify the fear of an unknown but tiny risk and ignore the real and well understood risk.

for context, total death rate now is lower than the 5 year average, more people are dying of "normal" flu, than covid, positive case rate is pretty much flat and the peaks areas being discovered are concerning, but would also be what you expect to see in a functioning track and trace system (eg they were always there but hidden in the noise). - We've done 25 tests for every 100 people in the country, the highest in any country of more than 10m people..

The bad things that are happening are because people cant go to hospital for normal procedures, or because of the long term effect of the shit we are in, physical, mental and financial.

Comparing us to NZ is pointless, it's a super remote, super low density population who got extra warning and were able to act fast, that was NEVER going to work in the UK, and even if it could have that ship sailed a long time ago, it likely sailed before january...

permalink I want to stay in the area of low risk, but all the fuckers in areas of high risk are coming here.
Why the fuck can they not just stay away?

I live somewhere remote with low density population and where we had early warning, but everyone in the areas which did not have that seem to think that their situation should be applied to us.

The biggest argument I have with deniers is that they seem to put up lots of reasons why it is not a much greater risk to me to go out. I know that - How selfish do you have to be to think that lockdown is for those who are locked down? I am not making the streets busier here because they are already heaving and we have a very aged population here.
permalink When you say denier
what is it that you mean?
permalink Someone who has decided to deny that sensible precautions are worthwhile
to prevent the wider spread of the disease,

In the face of actual evidence that those places where this attitude has been adopted have had massively larger death tolls.

1000 people die every day in the US now - 1 in 1500 British people have died with CXIX.

I would give the kiss of life to a known infected person, but if you thin a holiday is more important than not travelling to low risk areas from high risk areas then i am afraid I think you are simply rationalising to appease your own selfishness.

Going on holiday to a place full of old people and the vulnerable is like joyriding or throwing litter from your car - it makes your life mildly better now, but is worse for everyone, including you, in the longer term.

Also something to do with the opacity of tights.
permalink Well, I'm not great at articulating
but I think some parts of your logic are oversimplified. By no means do I think we've done it right in the UK, but I do think you have a bit more 'safe' leeway than you're giving yourself.